Follow the link to the article listed above. Read the article and post your thoughts on this issue. Are you for or against school vouchers? Why? Include at least two points from one of the sources listed at the bottom of the article. Be sure to list which source you used. Do not copy the points used by any of your classmates.
Check this website for more resources both pro and con.
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
No mainly because if the school vouchers were put into play everyone would want to get the and put their kids into the private schools with the best educational levels, it's good that they want to but what about the kids who can't handle that level of education? It leaves all the lower academic kids in public schools, takes away a majority of their funding and brings down the reputation of the schools.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nea.org/home/16378.htm
"NEA opposes school vouchers because they divert essential resources from public schools to private and religious schools, while offering no real "choice" for the overwhelming majority of students."
"Teachers, parents, and the general public have long opposed private school tuition vouchers — especially when funds for vouchers compete with funds for overall improvements in America's public schools."
I don't agree with the voucher system because in the few times that we have seen it used in the private school scenario isn't enough to justify a much larger use over a much larger scale. There are too many factors that one cannot control if this was used on a much larger scale and some schools have actually closed down due to the use of school vouchers. Meanwhile, some students do not even improve due to the use of vouchers.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nea.org/assets/docs/2009-04-14_NCPE_DC_vouchers_Reauthorization.pdf
"All three reports revealed that
students who entered a voucher school from a “school in
need of improvement,” (“SINI”) demonstrated no
increase in academic achievement"
"Federal tax dollars were spent on tuition at private
schools that do not even charge tuition
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ReplyDeleteI am against school vouchers because the government must come up with the money to subsidize the grants. An increase in the general public's taxes will allow the government to create such revenue, but why should parents that already pay taxes for their children to attend public school must pay even higher taxes for someone else's children to attend a more expensive school than their own kids? Also, the idea that private school kids generally score higher on standardized tests is a fallacy since most of these kids come from wealthy families that have the money to spend on higher education and private tutors.
http://www.nea.org/home/19133.htm
"Despite desperate efforts to make the voucher debate about "school choice" and improving opportunities for low-income students, vouchers remain an elitist strategy. Privatization strategies are about subsidizing tuition for students in private schools, not expanding opportunities for low-income children."
"There's no conclusive evidence that vouchers improve the achievement of students who use them to attend private school. Nor is there any validity to claims that, by creating a "competitive marketplace" for students, vouchers force public schools to improve."
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ReplyDeleteI do not agree with school vouchers for two reasons. People who want an education for their children or for themselves should not have to pay more for an education that everyone should be able to have. Also the fact that vouchers are payments made by the government for different people means a larger spending of tax dollars which decreases the spending limit for other things that may be more important.
http://www.nea.org/home/19133.htm
"Each year, about $65 million dollars is spent by foundations and individuals to promote vouchers. In election years, voucher advocates spend even more on ballot measures and in support of pro-voucher candidates."
"A voucher lottery is a terrible way to determine access to an education. True equity means the ability for every child to attend a good school in the neighborhood."
Twinkle Joseph
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I do not agree with having school vouchers because obviously they don't work. If data from the systems that have tried out the voucher system don't show improvement then there is no necessity to do the voucher system. Also, implementing the voucher system would mean the need of extra funds. These funds are going to come out of the already existing public school system leading to fewer opportunities and resources for the students.
http://weac.org/2014/12/18/schultz-says-private-school-vouchers-will-accelerate-demise-quality-public-education-wisconsin/
"I have no idea where they could come up with that money short of taking it away from K-12 public education which is just going to accelerate its demise."
"We can’t afford one system in this state. How we are going to ever have ourselves in a situation of trying to fund two is beyond me."
Twinkle Joseph
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I do not agree with having school vouchers because obviously they don't work. If data from the systems that have tried out the voucher system don't show improvement then there is no necessity to do the voucher system. Also, implementing the voucher system would mean the need of extra funds. These funds are going to come out of the already existing public school system leading to fewer opportunities and resources for the students.
http://weac.org/2014/12/18/schultz-says-private-school-vouchers-will-accelerate-demise-quality-public-education-wisconsin/
"I have no idea where they could come up with that money short of taking it away from K-12 public education which is just going to accelerate its demise."
"We can’t afford one system in this state. How we are going to ever have ourselves in a situation of trying to fund two is beyond me."
I don't think that vouchers should be used to fund students to go to private school vs. public school. I think that there is a reason that private school is private. By doing away with tuition (reimbursing essentially), I think that eliminates the need for private school. Vouchers should not be used if it is not 100 percent proven.
ReplyDeleteUnobserved and difficult to measure differences between families that select public and private schools might account for the apparent academic edge that private school students displayed, these researchers argued.
In the absence of new sources of data, research on the effects of school choice remained deadlocked along these lines for many years. To be sure, innovative arguments were advanced by John Chubb and Terry Moe, but their work was more support for a theory of how school governance related to organization efficiency than it was a source of direct evidence on the consequences of school choice.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
Jacquie Gann
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I disagree with the private school voucher system because those who choose to send their kids to private school should pay for the "higher level" education they believe their kids would receive, also the idea of private vs. public school would virtually be eliminated due to the government paybacks to families who choose to send their kids to private schools.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-023.html
"About 90 percent of our kids now go to so-called public schools."
"There is enormous room for improvement in our educational system."
Kissa Rizvi
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I do not support school vouchers because they are not easy to incorporate into our system. They would not be able to make a significant impact or help the students; most private school performance is based on a sample-selection bias. What can complicate the task of calculating potential voucher savings are other factors that can affect the results.
http://www.edchoice.org/Research/Reports/The-School-Voucher-Audit--Do-Publicly-Funded-Private-School-Choice-Programs-Save-Money-.aspx
"First and foremost, eligibility for a voucher program may include some students who would have enrolled in a private school even without the vouchers’ financial assistance. This “private school propensity” effect is an incremental public cost that must be taken into account"
"Second, the voucher amount typically varies among students, requiring an average voucher amount be calculated to generate a reasonable savings estimate"
Alan Pham
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I support school vouchers because it has shown it has improved test scored for the lower income students like in New York. I believe private schools can innovate the educational system. Even though surveys has proven to be biased, New York says other wise that even low income students benefit from private schools.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-023.html
"There is enormous room for improvement in our educational system. Hardly any activity in the United States is technically more backward. We essentially teach children in the same way that we did 200 years ago: one teacher in front of a bunch of kids in a closed room. The availability of computers has changed the situation, but not fundamentally. Computers are being added to public schools, but they are typically not being used in an imaginative and innovative way."
"The system over time has become more defective as it has become more centralized."
I disagree with the use of the voucher system because using them would in a way take the "private" out of private school. Instead of helping out those who want to go to these schools for the "better" education, we should be looking to improve our education system as a whole and try to better both public and private schools.
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"The elevated level of performance in private schools is the result of bias bias created from the sampling methods that are being used to gather this data"
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"Those whose scores are evaluated are not random students from the population"
I am against school vouchers because they take away essential resources from needed for public school and give it to private schools, while offering no choice for the overwhelming majority of students. most private school receiving the resource have a religious affiliation and provide some amount of religious instruction. yet,aid to religious schools is unconstitutional.
ReplyDelete"NEA opposes school vouchers because they divert essential resources from public schools to private and religious schools"
" more than 40 percent of those
who left the public schools in 1991-92 for a private school didn't return to the
private school in 1992-93.
http://prospect.org/article/great-school-sell
Kennedy Ford
ReplyDeleteHigher education seems to be a major thing in private schools. And it seems as though private schools are winning this battle. Private schools take away success for public schools. Private schools are only afford able for certain "classes". A student who has low income parents will not be able to have a part in a higher education because their parents cannot afford it. But is this right? Why can't government buckle down and give a higher education to all of the students of America. With a world full of scholars, there would be more leaders in the world.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/how-members-of-congress-practice-school-choice?xiphone=true
"children escape the worsening ills of America's urban schools. Many congressional opponents of choice send their own children to private schools."
"Indeed, while surveys show that the strongest supporters of choice are low-income parents whose children are trapped in failing public schools, many of those who oppose efforts to give parents this fundamental right are blessed with the means to select the schools their children attend."
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ReplyDeleteLeslie Reglos
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I do support these school vouchers. It is proven that students who attend private schools academically perform on a higher level because a smaller student population allows for teachers to work more with the needs of individual students. On the other hand, educators may not necessarily have the time to work with each student who attends a public school with a larger student population. These school vouchers would allow low income families to send their children to a private school for a better education. A student's education should not be limited just because their parents are unfortunately unable to pay the large amount of money needed to send them to private school.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/how-members-of-congress-practice-school-choice
"School choice offers families--particularly low-income families--an opportunity to help their children escape the worsening ills of America's urban schools."
"Yet they and other opponents of choice offer the parents of children attending troubled inner-city schools little explanation as to why they should not be afforded the same educational choices Members of Congress give their own children."
Samantha Chan
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I do not support school vouchers. I believe that private schools should be reserved for those who wish to spend additional money for both the religious and educational aspect. I believe that we should not fund private schools because most of them are religion based. In addition, funding for private schools may cause an increase in students that private schools are not made to accommodate.
http://www.wested.org/online_pubs/vouchers/vouchers.html
"Although no voucher program exists in the FWL region, a 1993 survey of California private schools found that space in these schools was so limited that unless schools planned to expand their capacity, less than one percent of public school students could be accommodated"
"Others challenge the constitutionality of voucher programs, arguing that including religious schools violates the separation of church and state."
Amanda Salmon
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I believe in school vouchers. These vouchers help allow parents to sent their kids to the school they want and not just the school their kids are zoned to. With these vouchers, parents can make sure that their kids are getting an education that is not just standardized state testing, but also an educational experience with many different types of people. There needs to be a greater push for more racially integrated schools and vouchers could achieve this goal. If schools become more racially integrated then everyone will be given a completely fair and equal education opportunity.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
" Coleman and others also found that private schools, while educating a lower proportion of minority students, more evenly distributed minority students, producing better racial integration than that found in public schools"
"From these findings Coleman and others suggested that providing vouchers or tax credits for families to select the school of their choice, public or private, would increase academic achievement and improve racial integration in schools."
I disagree with the voucher program. Funding students for private school is essentially eliminating private schooling and thus making private school the same as public. By definition, if a school is funded by the government it is considered public, while a private school is funded by individual organizations. This voucher system really doesn't do much to improve education, rather it is just subsidizing the private sector of education. Instead, these funds should be allocated into training teachers or for buying new textbooks for public schools. I don't see how teachers or students are to blame for poor education if the teachers are poorly trained and students are carrying around outdated textbooks with chapters torn out.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nea.org/home/19133.htm
NEA and its affiliates support direct efforts to improve public schools. There is no need to set up new threats to schools for not performing. What is needed is help for the students, teachers, and schools who are struggling.
Despite desperate efforts to make the voucher debate about "school choice" and improving opportunities for low-income students, vouchers remain an elitist strategy. From Milton Friedman's first proposals, through the tuition tax credit proposals of Ronald Reagan, through the voucher proposals on ballots in California, Colorado, and elsewhere, privatization strategies are about subsidizing tuition for students in private schools, not expanding opportunities for low-income children.
Jocelyn Dang
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I disagree with the voucher system, despite it giving less fortunate kids the opportunity to attend private schools. The voucher system is a way to promote private schools and it gives people the impression that they are much better than public schools. By giving people the financial incentive to go to private schools, it is leaving public schooling in the dust. Thus, it is weakening a major part of our educational system rather than strengthening it. Also, the voucher system would be further complicating things. So, it is best that we just leave our school system as is.
http://www.edchoice.org/Research/Reports/The-School-Voucher-Audit--Do-Publicly-Funded-Private-School-Choice-Programs-Save-Money-.aspx
--Whether that level is more or less than what the current system generates is unknown. However, what is known is that the current government-sanctioned monopoly tends to drive up overall spending while under-rewarding excellence.
--It was Dr. Friedman’s view that, by expanding school choice, the basic economic principle of competition would work to temper cost growth over time. Today, private school tuition is typically much less than the amount spent to educate a student in public school. Granted, that is true, in part, because of private schools’ extensive fundraising efforts. It’s also hard to predict how broader private school choice, facilitated by taxpayer funding, would impact both giving to private schools and tuition levels in the future.
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ReplyDeleteI feel as though the voucher system is good and will succeed with time. Many of the people who are less fortunate and attend public schools aren't getting the push they need to be motivated educationally and socially. When the government gives there family financial incentive to attend a higher class education system it puts hope in the family's heart that with hard work they can improve there situation. We might not see this with every case but even if it helps one third of the individuals it was a success. When one individual out of a less fortunate community succeeds it not only betters their situation it betters everyone around them is motivated.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
"If this were almost any other policy realm or consumer issue we might consider the strong positive effect of school choice on parental satisfaction sufficient evidence to conclude that the program is beneficial to its participants. If, for example, people report that they are happier with the maintenance of public parks we would usually consider this as sufficient proof that efforts to improve the parks have succeeded. We would not normally feel obliged to count the number of items of trash and repair problems to verify reports of satisfaction."
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
"After two years Metcalf concludes, “The results indicate that scholarship students in existing private schools had significantly higher test scores than public school students in language (45.0 versus 40.0) and science (40.0 versus 36.0). "
Jenny Simon
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I do not agree with the voucher system. By reading this article, we can conclude that this particular system is not working the way they thought it would. According to statistics which contrast the potential performance of a student in a public school and a private school, there have been beliefs that the outcomes in essential areas such as reading and basic arithmetic have been fairly the same. As a result, some have proceeded to ask the question as to why school vouchers are necessary if a student is likely to receive a similar education in whichever educational setup they choose.
Kyo Yamashiro and Lisa Carlos, "Private School Vouchers"
http://www.wested.org/policy/pubs/full_text/pb_ft_vouch.htm
In this online article, Kyo Yamashiro and Lisa Carlos provide a useful summary of alternative voucher system proposals. They also provide a good discussion of the arguments for and against a voucher system. A summary of research findings (as of 1995) is also included in this article.
-There are some people who would even proceed to say that school vouchers which are offered to parents can amount to a Government interference in the education system, something which can be regarded as potent in the eyes of some of the more negative politicians. Because of how views can vary, there have been many INVESTIGATIONS into this idea fully because of the make-up of the political system in America in the decades following on from the introduction of school vouchers in this country.
-Another thing is that some argue also that it is highly unconstitutional for a private school to siphon students of a certain religion or ethnicity out of the public school system, which school vouchers can be put towards in some cases.
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ReplyDeleteI do agree with the voucher system. I feel as though it will allow lower income families to have the same school choices as the families with higher income. I find it ironic how the majority of senators that are against school voucher have, at some point, sent their child to a private school. If they are not happy with the education at the public level, the senators have the luxury and salary to choose where to send their child. Instead of working to help other families have the ability to choose where to send their child, like they do, they voted against a recent attempt to allow children zoned to dangergous school to have school choice. I think that education should not be limited based on parent's income and that vouchers could potentially help solve this problem.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/how-members-of-congress-practice-school-choice
-"School choice is gaining popularity not only among minorities, but among school teachers as well. "
-"School choice offers families--particularly low-income families--an opportunity to help their children escape the worsening ills of America's urban schools."
Unlike many of my classmates, I am for school vouchers. I believe that they can increase school rigor, minimize controversies such as religion in school, and aid any parent no matter the outcome in maximizing educational potential for their kind. Although there are few examples with positive results, it is a work in progress and with more work could prove to be beneficial.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-023.html
The quality of schooling is far worse today than it was in 1955. There is no respect in which inhabitants of a low-income neighborhood are so disadvantaged as in the kind of schooling they can get for their children.
http://www.schoolchoices.org/roo/fried1.htm
The localized administration of education in the United States and some other countries would similarly facilitate the transition, since it would encourage experimentation on a small scale and with alternative methods of handling both these and other problems.
School vouchers kind of sound like a college scholarship to me, but you wouldn't really have to put in as much work if they were applicable to all schools. I'll say I am against school vouchers because I feel their are more costs than benefits on the basis of human behavior. Quality of education isn't going to improve unless the resources are suredly available, yet people won't allocate more resources to schools unless they are generally doing well with their educating students. With an incentive system like a school voucher, test scores are most likely used measure of which people need more help than others, yet standardized testing "means the loss of too much instructional time" (http://neatoday.org/2015/01/15/kindergarten-readiness-tests-wasting-valuable-teaching-time/). We wasted a whole 24hrs - a day - on STAARs that weren't even count (I actually did calculate this during those days in the commons). I get that these tests place everyone on the same scale, but that doesn't mean it can calculate who has gotten the best education, which is what school vouchers aim to improve. Teachers are already rushing to get enough grades in as a set standard made by the school board, and those who assign vouchers sound exactly like that to me, like the government trying to fix the economy. The education system "is tremendously inadequate in equipping students with the tools they need to compete in the modern job market" because they are teaching more for students to pass a test than to work on their passion in the world (http://www.schoolchoices.org/blog/1/leading-educators-call-for-more-innovation-in-higher-education). Sure, the world can be considered a test, but a test is not the world. Most standardized tests are just memorizing facts. Their isn't much questioning or innovation unless the essays are truly free response. Vouchers are just another grading scale that way. If their is no time to learn, not just to test, then their won't be better education. Vouchers aren't the best system for that because not all schools may use it directly on the students, but in other ways to improve the building itself, which is part of the education environment that contributes to a better education. There are too many loopholes right now to be a benefit than a cost to me.
ReplyDeleteAmy Krauhs
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No. Giving further benefits to privatized education fails to benefit society as a whole. "The system over time has become more defective as it has become more centralized. Power has moved from the local community to the school district to the state, and to the federal government. About 90 percent of our kids now go to so-called public schools, which are really not public at all but simply private fiefs primarily of the administrators and the union officials." (http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-023.html) In order to progress in society, we need to raise the floor. Private school education is obviously better because money funneled in by the parents keep the teachers in check. Public schools do not have that pleasure for the education is controlled by a higher governing body. (http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm) "After two years Metcalf concludes, “The results indicate that scholarship students in existing private schools had significantly higher test scores than public school students in language (45.0 versus 40.0) and science (40.0 versus 36.0)." This article lists evidence that private schools produce higher test scores. But it does not mention that people who are economically advantaged enough to even take private school also have the pleasure of affording multiple tutors in core subjects. It is pure naivete to believe that good scores can not be bought with money.
ReplyDeleteWesley Andrade
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School vouchers only work for a small Percentage of American students. Rather than making high school/college level work difficult, we should optimize the level of education during early childhood.If you've ever observed a young child, you would notice that they absorb information like a vacuum cleaner that's coated in Sham Wows. Since humans are at their mental prime at adolescence, the government should devote their resources (money) to high-quality early childhood education, small classes, small schools, and make summer school classes available to children who want it. Put money to those items.
"Vouchers don't work. Smaller class size and proven academic programs do, and they are doable-tomorrow. Given a choice between serving ideology and maybe helping a relative handful of children-at the expense of the rest-or responding to the legitimate demands of the vast majority of Americans and serving the needs of all children, the choice is clear. Let's do what's right and what works."
(http://www.edchoice.org/The-Friedmans/The-Friedmans-on-School-Choice/Milton-Friedman-on-Vouchers.aspx)
I disagree with vouchers. The point of private schooling is to have kids learn in a pristine environment, with no outside interference. Vouchers can be considered government interference in education.
ReplyDeleteAlso, some parents with kids in private schools may not want them to be exposed to those whom are not a part of private schooling, and they should be able to have it that way.
Gage Roberts 4th period
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"First and foremost, eligibility for a voucher program may include some students who would have enrolled in a private school even without the vouchers’ financial assistance. This “private school propensity” effect is an incremental public cost that must be taken into account"
http://www.nea.org/home/19133.htm
"Despite desperate efforts to make the voucher debate about "school choice" and improving opportunities for low-income students, vouchers remain an elitist strategy. Privatization strategies are about subsidizing tuition for students in private schools, not expanding opportunities for low-income children."
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"First and foremost, eligibility for a voucher program may include some students who would have enrolled in a private school even without the vouchers’ financial assistance. This “private school propensity” effect is an incremental public cost that must be taken into account"
http://www.nea.org/home/19133.htm
"Despite desperate efforts to make the voucher debate about "school choice" and improving opportunities for low-income students, vouchers remain an elitist strategy. Privatization strategies are about subsidizing tuition for students in private schools, not expanding opportunities for low-income children."
I agree with the voucher system because less fortunate kids have access to better education at the private schools, an option they would not have gotten to choose otherwise. In addition, these children will find themselves in more diverse racial environment as opposed to the almost homogeneous environment they would have been in at a private school.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
Private schools are more likely to be integrated (having a racial composition that resembles the composition of the broader community) and less likely to be segregated (having a racial composition that is almost all white or almost all minority) than are public schools.
These researchers largely differ on the confidence with which conclusions can be drawn and the inferences that can reasonably be made for shaping public policy, but they do not differ on their general assessments of the programs they have examined. That is, all of the researchers who have served as evaluators of the publicly-funded choice programs in Milwaukee and Cleveland, as well as the privately-funded programs in Washington, D.C., Dayton, New York, and San Antonio, agree that these programs have been generally positive developments and have supported their continuation, if not expansion.
Patrick Pecson
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I do not agree with the private school vouchers because they only motivate the people and schools that receive them, leading to selfish teacher unions and stale curriculum.
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667-p2.html
Another reason is that vouchers don't actually improve the lives of those who were given one. For example, the voucher does not cover all the expenses, which means the people with the vouchers still have to pay for the rest of tuition, uniforms, etc. Also, just because the people with the vouchers go to better schools, it doesn't mean better education. The kids barely show improvement in grades and frequency in homework.
https://www.au.org/church-state/february-2011-church-state/featured/10-reasons-why-private-school-vouchers-should-be
Luke Chacko
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I do agree with the school vouchers because it is a way to increase the grades and motivation of teachers and students in inner-city schools. Schools with harsh environments and large dropout rates will have a drive to excel and stay in school with these vouchers. The number of African American student droputs will also drastically decrease with these vouchers.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cb_20.htm
School vouchers for private schools is acceptable also because public schools are a prime example of what happens when the government tries to oversee education. Public schools do not push students to excel, whereas if private organizations are granted vouchers, they can push alot more students to excel.
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667.html
I do not think there should be any sort of school vouchers given out to private schools. To begin, that is the point of being private; to be privately funded and ran independently without cooperation of the government other then legal issues i.e. enrollment statuses, logs of money given to the school ect... and if these vouchers are given to private schools, that completely defeats the purpose. Secondly, like the article states, "those with the most to gain under this proposal are not the working poor or minority communities, but the wealthy", which is NOT who we need to be prioritizing our resources towards in this day and age. And lastly, we would be leaving behind those who struggle in school from day to day as "The school voucher program wouldn't force students out of the public schools. Instead, it would raise the standards for all students, especially those in currently failing public schools that, for the first time, will face real pressure to correct their flaws." Thus not allowing a chance for those students 'the american dream' opportunity of working your way to fame and fortune.
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School Vouchers should not be given to just private schools when majority of taxpayer's children go to public schools. For example private and charter schools are getting the vouchers because they special requirements to attend. Whether it is economic status, location, or religion, private schools should not get extra money and be able to hand pick what students are allowed onto there campus.
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Another problem with vouchers is that private schools have an opportunity to provide more resources that can improve the students education. The students are going to school with taxpayers money and using technology or books that are paid by tax money. This places the public schools at a disadvantage because these students will not have a fair or equal education.
http://www.quarterlifecrisis.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-25248.html
I believe that school Vouchers should be given. I simply do no see the problem of giving vouchers to help pay for tuition at some very expensive private schools. Even if they are religious it is the parents who are the ones who choose to send their kids to that school not the government.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
Also some families are not as privileged enough to be able to be zoned to successful public schools. It is not their fault that families live in neighborhood where the public school that they are zoned too has a bad reputation. Parents should be allowed to send their kids to a good school where the kids can get a good education without having to worry about money. Give the people some vouchers.
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
Ingrid Curtom
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I am against the support of private school vouchers because I believe it caters to the agenda of a private school. It’s not fair that people would be receiving tax credits from something they already do. Private schools are 95% religious and are allowed to set the curriculum how they see fit, including the requirement of religious courses that might not benefit a selection of students.
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667-p2.html
School vouchers aren’t marketed the way they are supposed to. The expenses incurred yearly that aren’t covered by vouchers add up and would only cater to the wealthy or those who can actually afford a private school education.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-486es.html
Mackenzie Boudreau
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I believe in school vouchers only because children should not be limited by their parents financial means when it comes to education. If school vouchers are the key to getting a child a better eduction in a public school rather than a private shool then these vouchers should be acceptable.
"For the 10 school vouchers programs examined in this report, a cumulative total savings of at least $1.7 billion has been realized since 1990-91, the first year of the historic Milwaukee Parental Choice Program (MPCP), through 2010-11, the end of this paper’s review period."
http://www.friedmanfoundation.org/
"The major objective of educational vouchers is much more ambitious. It is to drag education out of the 19th century -- where it has been mired for far too long -- and into the 21st century, by introducing competition on a broad scale."
http://www.friedmanfoundation.org/
I disagree with school vouchers because they use it to separate private school from public school. Private schools have a better history of getting results based on the teaching of the school, but you also have to pay for that education. Public schools is the opposite.
ReplyDelete"The school choices and the benefits can also be seen in different parts of the world and not in U.S."
"Childrens deserve the best education possible, and the way to make that happen is empower parents to choose how they want to educate their children"
http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2006/02/21/the_lessons_of_school_choice/page/full
Elyssa Buntzel 4th p
ReplyDeleteI agree with school vouches to a point. I think that they will open up a more diverse learning environment and it overall has the potential to provide children with experience and college readiness. I see few examples of it used successfully, so it is a work in progress, but it should be able to work if the procedures are reevaluated.
"More private schools would provide opportunities for specialization; for example, schools could provide extra expertise in math, science, sports training, liberal arts, college preparation, and so on."
"Providing private school access to everyone will increase diversity"
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
Ayesha Wahid
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I agree with school vouchers because all kids should have an equal opportunity at a chance of a good education no matter the financial situations of their parents, something that the children have no control over. Also, school vouchers provide an opportunity for students to have a better education in private schools, which is something they might not be able to get at a public school.
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
"Rich parents have a choice of schools for their kids; poor parents should have the same choice."
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667.html
"Public schools are terrible. The government has proven itself unable to oversee education. If there are other institutions willing to take over, why not let them try?"
Chris Abraham
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To me, school vouchers seem like a reasonable thing to provide for students that are longing for a good education. In certain cases, the public schools in certain areas might not be of very good quality, both student and faculty wise. Private schools however, generally have a higher standard of quality, since they generally have more money in their pockets. However, it should be kept under scrutiny to make sure kids aren't being forced into a faith they don't believe.
"Whitney Houston, who is not exactly Plato, proclaimed, "I believe the children are our future - teach them well and let them lead the way." For many in this country, the public school system has not met Whitney's goal"
Governments are good at things like taking money, making war, and enforcing rules; but do we really think Big Brother is caring, devoted, and intellectual enough to educate our young people?
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667.html
Grace cha
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I personally disagree with the school voucher system because it seems to be intended for a small group of people rather than a larger population. More specifically, it seems to be focused on families with very small incomes and can seem rather unfair for families who earn enough but still experience financial burdens on a lesser degree. The purpose of this system is revolutionary, but seem too far fetched and complicated for the government to keep track of.
"Finally, the method of estimating the costs associated with a voucher approach will be one of the central determinants of whether implementing such a system is feasible."
"Monitoring schools, providing voucher-related information, and evaluating students for a voucher that meets their individual needs might also be more costly."
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/96068ece.asp
Jayson Varughese
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I disagree with the idea of a school voucher system because private schools are meant for individuals who have high achievements, and that is what makes private schools so revered. Parents who tend to send their children to private schools are not always rich, but rather see potential in their children and know that they will not be wasting their money. Having less educated kids with behavioral issues enter private schools does not guarantee that they will study to the level of what is expected and consequentially, may affect the learning of other that are enrolled because of their feats.
“it would raise the standards for all students, especially those in currently failing public schools that, for the first time, will face real pressure to correct their flaws.”
“Private schools are under no obligation to accommodate individual situations.”
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667-p2.html
Eduardo Maltez
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I don't think school vouchers are a good idea. It's system seems like one that some may merely use to be part of a school rather than learn from it. If a family were to be paid for educational expenses at a private school, they may choose to go to a private school that just as some name recognition aboard the community. If enough families were to use school vouchers like this, private schools will lose their credibility. With enough private schools losing credibility, they will just seem redundant. Therefore, school vouchers could eventually lead to private schools to have a disadvantage compared to public schools.
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
"The quality of education at the private schools may be brought down by new students that aren't as gifted."
"Parents who send their kids to expensive private schools aren't always rich; some parents do it because they see special talent in their kids."
Keanu Florence
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I do not agree with government vouchers to pay for private school educations. Parents choose to pay for the education they wish for their children to have and increasing the overall taxes would affect parents who are okay with their children attending public schools. I appreciate the selective manner in which private schools choose the students to attend their institutions, the pride they take in education is apparent in the students they produce. Allowing any student to attend would inherently decrease the overall skill level each student maintains .
"Private schools can establish any criteria they want for selecting or rejecting students. Thus, they can discriminate or make eligibility standards much more difficult for poorer students."
"Although it may not be politically correct to say, sometimes the students at certain private schools are there because of high achievement or parents that are passionately devoted to their education."
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
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In my opinion, Vouchers are definitely a great idea. Because school vouchers provide households “the promise of equal opportunity” giving households a freedom of choice. Giving students more option to explore and reach their fullest potential academically. Vouchers cite studies suggest that students enrolled in private school achieve a higher levels of performance on standardized test using the vast resources provides. Low income families shouldn’t be limited from the options and opportunities provided by the world today. With the use of vouchers low-income families can be provided with that opportunity.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/how-members-of-congress-practice-school-choice
“To most Americans, allowing parents to send their children to a school of choice may seem fundamental to efforts to ensure that children receive the best education. Surveys show that the strongest supporters of choice are low-income parents whose children are trapped in failing public schools.”
“School choice offers families--particularly low-income families--an opportunity to help their children escape the worsening ills of America's urban schools.”
Siobhan Simmons 4th Period
ReplyDeleteI agree with the voucher system because it doesn't allow discrimination when choosing who may attend a school. Students who may have the same work ethic as a person attending a private school will now be at a disadvantage because their parents cannot afford to send them to a private school purely based on income. Not all people are given the same opportunities in life and our children shouldn't be a victim. If a child is going to attend a private school, they must be prepared for the education level that comes with it. If they cannot perform to the school's satisfactory, then it would be best for them to go back to the public schooling system where the education intensity isn't as vigorous.
"no parent should be forced to send a child to a poorly performing school."
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cb_20.htm
"Yet the reality of most parents is no choice at all"
http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2006/02/21/the_lessons_of_school_choice
Reuben Bijy
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I agree that the government should provide school vouchers for private school education. School vouchers give everyone the opportunity to receive a private education. Studies have shown that private schools have a better history of getting results in teaching information and values than public schools, but they have also mostly been available to higher income families. If a school voucher system could be implemented it would provide everyone with the opportunity to attend private school and not be stuck in the public school system.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cb_20.htm
"The consequences of this unfairness are not at all difficult to grasp. As one perceptive observer of urban education has written “Education used to be the poor child’s ticket out of the slums. Now it’s part of the system that traps people in the underclass"
"In most cities in this nation, however, if your child is zoned into a school that is not performing well academically, and where teachers and administrators don’t see themselves as being responsible for academic performance, parents have no recourse. Parents can only send their child to that school and hope for the best."
Cailin O'Connell
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I support school vouchers because I know firsthand the benefits of private school versus public school, including, but not limited to, expanded college search resources, more funding for extracurricular programming, and a more extensive network of alumni involved in the college application and acceptance process. Let's face it: high school is a jumping off point for higher education. Yes, students do gain a foundation of knowledge, both academic and personal, which they will build on for the rest of their lives, but the main function of high school is to propel students into university or technical careers so they may lead fruitful lives. Additionally, this would support for-profit organizations by essentially opening up the market to a whole new class of consumers. With for-profit education, more innovation can be achieved, and we can grant to future generations an unprecedented level of education.
"The profit motive, in education as in any other enterprise, is a necessary ingredient in the generation of new ideas, innovations, and efficiencies"
"Government schools should be required to honor the voucher as full payment, but private schools should be free to charge an additional amount if they choose to do so—to allow more variety in the educational system"
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa486.pdf
Gerard Barrientos
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I personally disagree with the school voucher system. The reason for this is due to the fact that the whole aspect of a voucher program ruins the point and effectiveness of a private school program overall. The small, centralized programs that private schools are known for will quickly be overpowered, simply due to the influx of students that will attend these schools; the processes that are associated with public schools that allow them to work and the processes that allow private schools to work are simply too different to be able to implement effectively if demographic shifts were to occur.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-486es.html
"Unfortunately, all of those programs are limited in a number of ways. These limitations have prevented them from developing into fully competitive education markets. Implementation of a non-monopolistic education market is still in the future."
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667-p2.html
"In truth, several obstacles would still prevent the majority of voucher recipients from ever using them: private schools are under no obligation to accept students, and would likely reject the majority of those with histories of behavior problems, learning disabilities, or unstable family situations."
Erin Keir 6th period
ReplyDeleteI support the school voucher system due to the increased competition of education standards it would create. Also due to the lack of discrimination and the higher value placed on education. Being from a country That has a similar system to the voucher system, one in which people can chose which school to go to, the level of education achieved is higher, thus the students are more prepared and well as the parents.
"Yet the reality of most parents is no choice at all"
http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2006/02/21/the_lessons_of_school_choice
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa486.pdf
Reuben Kuruvila
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I believe the voucher system is not viable because it can be very unfair to those whose children do not learn as well as cannot perform as well in a private school as compared to those whose children are geniuses who can endure such rigor. The voucher system in fact rewards those who already have the funds to send their children to private school while it does not help much for those who are without fund.
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/school_vouchers.htm
"A voucher lottery is a terrible way to determine access to an education. True equity means the ability for every child to attend a good school in the neighborhood."
"The quality of education at the private schools may be brought down by new students that aren't as gifted."
Karen George
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I do not think school vouchers should be enforced. They create a seperation between public schools and private school students which can effect kids socially and cause seperation. Vouchers will give private schools an incentive to treat kids with favoritism which is not healthy for a child growing up. I think there is already enough competition amongst schools and I do no think the voucher is an efficient way to increase competition.
"But starting in 1996 a flood of new data became available, greatly expanding what we know about the effects of school choice. First, John Witte released to other researchers the data he had obtained on the Milwaukee school choice program.
" Second, Cleveland began operating the second publicly funded school choice program and made at least some information available to different researchers."
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
Martin Nguyen
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I support the school voucher system because rich parents have a choice of school for their kids, poor parents should have the same choice. Also, providing private school access to everyone will increase diversity. With school vouchers, financial problems would not be as prominent an obstacle in obtaining a high level of education. With school vouchers, people can more readily break the rut of poverty and have an equal opportunity for a good future.
"It stuns me that in 2006, the vast majority of students in failing schools are still trapped there."
https://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2006/02/21/the_lessons_of_school_choice
"The amount of the voucher or tax credit should be
nearly equivalent to the amount of funds spent per
student in public school. "
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa486.pdf
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ReplyDeleteMuizz Soomar
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I am totally against the school vouchers due to the fact that it separates the rich from the poor and puts them all in separate classes. From a young age as elementary school. The poorer families are forced to put their children in public schools where the teachers dont know much, but the rich can put their children in private schools where they actually learn and will be able to put their skills to the test in the real world. With the vouchers, the rich are able to not pay for school and get an amazing education as compared to the poor who cant pay for school so are forced to place their kids in public school. As to where the money from the vouchers comes from is kind of misguiding, since the government are willing to pay for the rich private school kids but are barely funding the public schools which is clearly on a basis of social classes which is totally wrong.
"Suppose your child is enrolled in a school and is being mistreated by a teacher. Or suppose he/she had a learning disability that required special attention. In a public school, parents have the right to make demands of the system, file complaints, and have their concerns addressed. A private school is exactly that, private, and under no obligation to accommodate individual situations. "
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667-p2.html
"Right now, rich families alarmed at the erosion of values in our public schools - drug use, promiscuity, violence - can afford alternatives for their children. "
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667.html
I do not support school vouchers for private school since this promotes schools to not act reasonably since it promotes discrimination and favoritism. It also lowers the quality of schools through lower quality of students attending and not being at the standard level of the school.
ReplyDelete"Private institutions are not directly accountable for their actions.
There is no way to ensure they will act responsibly."
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667-p2.html
"As Americans, we believe that competition yields a better product.
Why not apply the same standard to education, making public
schools accountable to the community?"
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667.html
Amber Alex
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I am against the employment of school vouchers. Considering that I attend a public school, I am fully aware of the already low budget afforded to them. We cannot afford to lose anymore to the private school system. I've gone to public schools since the 1st grade and I enjoy the freedom it offers and thrive in it even though it is seen as inferior to private schools. We work just as hard as students in private schools; therefore, we should not be afforded anything less than what they are.
http://www.prospect.org/archives/12/12schr.html
http://www.weac.org/news/dec96/neavouch.htm
Justin Adame
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I do not support the school vouchers because it is just helping a family that already has the money to send their child/children to the private school. If a person was to get something more on top of what they already have then they lose nothing in the processes. I'm not arguing that the rich family needs to get poorer.In he case that there are some children that need to helped, others abuse what is giving to them. If a school gives or wanted to give is scholarships only for a year the student would be able to attend on that. But the following year would leave because the scholarship would end. and End up loosing more money than they gave.
"In September 2000, one individual was just days away from receiving about $560,000 from the state to educate 130 students at an "Institute for Holistic Learning." The school director claimed he had to sign the application for some of the parents because they could not themselves, and he had told parents their children could stay at home and not be marked 'absent' because "technically they were still 'present'."
"More than 800 students used $4,000 scholarships to attend private and parochial schools - and the Edgewood district lost $5,800 for each student who left. Since students left from a wide array of schools and grades - and given the large number who returned to public schools the loss of $4.8 million caused numerous disruptions and dimunitions in the quality of education for public school students."
http://www.nea.org/home/16970.htm
Zoheb Hirani
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I believe that vouchers for schools is a terrible idea because that would mean more government control over the school, which could lead to the school being forced to admit any student, just like public schools. This ruins the whole concept of private schooling (http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/voucher.htm)
Also, it is unfair to people who don't have kids. This leads to a negative externality that the kidless citizen must subsidize. BAD government.
Axel Cuypers
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I do not agree that school vouchers are a good idea. When parents decide to enroll their children in a private school it is because they are expecting a higher education in return of a higher cost, it is unfair for the people who do not have the money to pay for that education if the government starts paying for the people who can afford private schooling nor for public school that do need the support of the government financially. It would create a big gap between social classes.
"The lower percentage of minority students in private school, critics argued, was a more telling indicator of the effect of choice on integration than was the distribution of those students within the private sector."
"Many education researchers remained unconvinced. Unobserved and difficult to measure differences between families that select public and private schools might account for the apparent academic edge that private school students displayed, these researchers argued."
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
Period 2
ReplyDeleteI agree with the school voucher system. Private school tuitions have risen to amounts that become almost unaffordable to many people who traditionally send their children to these schools. Even if it is simply because they believe in the private school education system more than the public school system, people who want to send their children to private school should have the opportunity to, especially in a financial sense. Not nearly everyone who goes to private schools is rich, and I really believe that the voucher system would make school much more affordable for families.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_11.htm
"From these findings Coleman and others suggested that providing vouchers or tax credits for families to select the school of their choice, public or private, would increase academic achievement and improve racial integration in schools."
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/how-members-of-congress-practice-school-choice
"Additionally, a recent survey conducted by the Hispanic Business Roundtable indicates that 63 percent of those polled favor implementing a voucher program similar to Florida's school choice program in their state."
Joe Thomas, Period 4
ReplyDeleteI dont agree with the school voucher system because it is paid for by the government. Tax dollars shouldnt be spent to send kids to good private schools when they can just be used to improve the public school system itself. If theyre going to spend a lot of money on education, it should be to improve their own education system.
http://weac.org/2014/12/18/schultz-says-private-school-vouchers-will-accelerate-demise-quality-public-education-wisconsin/
"I have no idea where they could come up with that money short of taking it away from K-12 public education which is just going to accelerate its demise."
https://www.au.org/church-state/february-2011-church-state/featured/10-reasons-why-private-school-vouchers-should-be
Another reason is that vouchers don't actually improve the lives of those who were given one. For example, the voucher does not cover all the expenses, which means the people with the vouchers still have to pay for the rest of tuition, uniforms, etc. Also, just because the people with the vouchers go to better schools, it doesn't mean better education. The kids barely show improvement in grades and frequency in homework.
I dont agree with the vouchers. If parents of private schools have enough money to put their kids in private school, they why do they need assistance?
ReplyDelete"it should have the humility and common sense to let those more committed and capable take a shot".
The government should not have to assist those who are capable of paying for private school.
"Yet, for most Americans, public education is the only affordable option"
Public schools are available for everyone. Rich parents dont have to have their children in private school. It is not a command; it is a choice that they can make.
http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-learn-school-vouchers-10667.html
Marvin Puac
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I do not agree with school voucher system because it would require more funds to ensure the same level of education for all kids. One of two options might occur which might involve raising the price of tuition for other students who have to pay and/or less privileges that might have been possible before the voucher system. Not only that but i believe that private schools should not be free just because some families can not afford it. This is what makes private schools different
"The quality of education at the private schools may be brought down by new students that aren't as gifted."
"I have no idea where they could come up with that money short of taking it away from K-12 public education which is just going to accelerate its demise.
http://weac.org/2014/12/18/schultz-says-private-school-vouchers-will-accelerate-demise-quality-public-education-wisconsin/
DeleteYes it is true that private schools are often more well funded and provide a better education for children who attend it, but does that mean that anyone should be able to go there? I THINK NOT! We have already learned in the past about elitist theories that we are governed by the wealthiest, most educated people in society. At some point in the past, these peoples ancestors worked to make it where they got and why for any reason would someone who needs government assistance be put with these top students? Who would go to public schools? What happens to the middle class? Why don't we all get vouchers? It's a flawed system that just doesn't work. What ever happened to the American dream? How could students who are put into private schools with students who already have talent ingrained through education be discovered if everyone around them is elite. Public schools weed out the untalented and those who are truly talented, no matter of economic wealth, make it to the top and they get to live the American dream and start from the bottom up. DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM!
ReplyDelete"40 percent of members of the House and 49 percent of members of the Senate send or have sent at least one of their children to a private school."
The Clinton Administration argues that vouchers to give disadvantaged children an opportunity to attend a school of choice would undermine the public schools. Yet both the President and Vice President have sent their own children to elite Washington, D.C.-area private schools. According to Vice President Gore, "vouchers would be a historic mistake by draining money away from public schools."14
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/how-members-of-congress-practice-school-choice
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